Crusade für 9.99 - für alle die´s noch nicht haben

[Mayaa]

Hmm, wie das mit dem Versand in Österreich aussieht weiß ich natürlich nicht! Wird schon passen Hauptsache man hat´s endlich !!

[ClusterRat]

So, Bestellung ist endlich raus. Hoffentlich ist das auch noch lieferbar.

[Lope de Aguirre]

Was ist denn der Unterschied zwischen diesen zwei Versionen?

JMS kann kein wirkliches Verbot aussprechen, hat aber mit Warner vereinbart, dass die 93er Version von "The Gathering" nicht mehr verkauft wird, da die 98er in allen Punkten besser ist.

In den meisten Ländern ist die alter Fassung NIE auf DVD erhältlich gewesen.

Here are some JMS comments on the new "The Gathering" SE running-length (from late 1997/early 1998, right before or after it aired on TNT):

"[Could] you spare a few words on how you went about the re-edit? Did you start with what you wanted to get back in, or trying to find out how much time you could recapture?"

The first thing I did was to sit down with the editor assigned to the re-edit, Suzie, and go through the original script for the pilot. My first words to her were, "Put everything in that ain't there." To that end, she redigitized all of the footage from missing scenes, and had available all of the available footage of the other scenes for digitizing as we went.

Note that I said all the *available* footage. The folks at WB who held custody of the film (we don't keep that stuff, we're not allowed to by contract, they store film, negative, prints, all that stuff) put the negative canisters into storage...and at one point in the intervening 4 years, there had been water damage, and on another occasion, apparently rats had gotten in there and chewed some of the original negatives (and in most cases there weren't positive struck of those takes).

Take your reaction to the foregoing, put it in front of the Hubble telescope, and you will have mine.

However, we lucked out...where there were some takes that are gone, we were able to find enough others (masters instead of a two-shot, or a close-up instead of an over-shoulder) and B-camera footage that we were able to build solid versions of those scenes. We didn't always have as many choices as we're used to but there was more than enough for our needs.

Suzi then dumped all of the newly edited additional scenes into the existing pilot, and that gave us the new running time (we added about 14 minutes). So at that point, John and I went in and worked to slice down the previously existing scenes, doing what we do with B5: tightening every loose screw and nut as much as we could. One or two incidental, unimportant scenes in the original pilot went out, because they added nothing and shouldn't have been there in the first place (a total of about 3 minutes). The remaining 11 minutes we made up in just tightening scenes, which were *so* lax and slow that it's amazing at times.

In some cases, we substituted one take for another in the pre-existing pilot when we had a better reaction, or played scenes closer for more intimacy. (One of the problems with the pilot is that it kept the audience far from the action, and the actors far from each other, something we changed in our shooting style for the series...here we tried to change it when we could and when we had the coverage.)

Tiny example: when Kosh falls down upon arriving at B5, that sequence ends with a big honking wide downshot of a nearly empty docking bay, with Kosh far from us, and Sinclair looking down (away from us) when he says "Damn." Then we go from that to a wide shot of the medlab. Same framing. So I had Suzie look for a take where we panned up from a close on Kosh, to a close on Sinclair for that line, so it's more immediate, more personal, and the jump to the next scene doesn't feel like the one before.

See, directors like to stay wide in their cuts, so you can see their nifty camera angles, see the set, the lighting...but after you've established where we are, most people want to see the *characters*, not the walls or how the camera moves. That was what we tried to fix where we could.

We couldn't totally re-edit the pilot, because we hadn't been given the money for something that intensive (the main expense is in opening up all the audio stems in the sound mix). But all the stuff I wanted back in, is now in, and the scenes I wanted to fix, I fixed.

I also got the thing back to its original format. All TV movies are 6 acts. Because PTEN wanted more commercial breaks, I had to re-jig the structure of the thing into 9 acts, which meant moving some scenes into places where they weren't as effective, and frankly after 9 acts you just get tired of watching. Here I was able to move scenes around and get back to the original 6 act structure that was intended for the thing, and that alone makes a huge difference in how the film feels.

One of the biggest changes is the one least immediately apparent. After we finished the original pilot, some folks at WB felt that Laurel was too...strong. They will rarely put it in terms quite as blatant as that, but that was the message...she was "unlikeable, unsympathetic, harsh." Meaning some of the guys felt she was too strong, let's cut to the chase, okay?

They wanted her to loop her lines, soften their (her) delivery. I fought this tooth and nail. I fought this until finally I was pulled aside and it was communicated to me that B5 was, after all, still an unknown property, could be a big failure, and if we ever wanted to see this thing on the air, we'd accommodate this note (which was, I have to admit on balance, one of the few they had). The advice was, in essence, "Pick your battles."

So, reluctantly, I let it get looped by Tamlyn.

But now, when the re-edit was commissioned, and with the person at the studio who insisted on this now no longer AT the studio, I told Suzie, "Screw it, put back her original production track and trash the loops." Instantly, Laurel's energy level comes up, the performance is better...it just *feels* more natural now.

So basically, we did a lot...some of it may not be immediately apparent (improving a sound here, altering coverage, adding additional sound layers, redoing a composite shot of the garden), but over the duration of watching it, it's just *better*. It's still a *tad* slower around the middle than I would've liked, but that's a WP (writer problem), nothing that can be fixed in an edit. It's just exposition-dense there, and nothing of a sort that can be cut.

jms

Essentially, they went in and added 14 completely new, never-before-seen minutes of footage to the TNT version, but the other side of the re-editing coin entailed taking *out* certain bits and pieces that didn't play too terribly well in the PTEN verion (then and now).

Roughly 3 minutes went out, including parts of Londo's opening monologue, extended scenes from Dr. Kyle's near-autopsy of Kosh, et al.

However, during many already-existing scenes, new and different -- and in most cases, *better* -- alternate takes were utilized, including close-up character shots during the Kosh docking-bay sequence (replacing the distant, highly disconnecting wide-shots director Richard Compton favored in his 1993 director's cut), a front-view locked off "tunnel" shot of Sinclair and Lyta's procession through the alien sector (eliminating the "muppets"), and other similar changes.

Overall, the TNT producer's cut is vastly superior in nearly every single fashion to the 1993 version, putting back a veritable mountain of meaty character scenes that director Compton gave the snip to.

Also die 98er hat einen komplett neuen Score von Christopher Franke, einige neue Effekte, ist von der Szenenabfolge komplett neu geschnitten. Hat viele alternative Takes von vorhandenen Szenen (meistens wurden Totalen mit Closeups ausgestauscht), es wurden einige Anknüpffehler ausgebügelt, neue Charaktermomente eingefügt, überflüssige Längen wurden entfernt, neue Effekte eingearbeitet und die Originalinterpretation der Sprechweise von Takashimas Darstellerin wieder eingearbeitet.

[madhorst]

Möööp Heute war ich im Weltbild-Laden und die hatten Crusade leider nicht da, dafür bestellen sie´s mir und ich muss keinen Versand bezahlen - auch gut!!

Gute Idee - hab ich auch gemacht! Danke für den Tipp auch!

[Mayaa]

Gute Idee - hab ich auch gemacht! Danke für den Tipp auch!

gerne

Habe heute meine Bestätigungsmail bekommen, kann morgen mein Crusade holen *freu*

[Zefram]

Bei dem Preis habe ich übrigens auch zugeschlagen...bin schon recht gespannt auf die Serie, auch wenn die Motivation natürlich dadurch getrübt wird, dass man wohl zu keinem richtigen Ende kam.

[Mayaa]

Oojuhuuuu, Ich hab´mir heute mein Crusade geholt Eigentlich lag es schon die ganze Woche im Weltbild-Laden und hat ganz sehnsüchtig auf mich gewartet Hatte aber leider bis jetzt keine Zeit und nu steht´s strahlend mit im Babylon 5 Regal

[Valen]

Oojuhuuuu, Ich hab´mir heute mein Crusade geholt Eigentlich lag es schon die ganze Woche im Weltbild-Laden und hat ganz sehnsüchtig auf mich gewartet Hatte aber leider bis jetzt keine Zeit und nu steht´s strahlend mit im Babylon 5 Regal

Fein! Und ist dann dran, wenn Du B5 durch hast, gell? Aber definitiv erst "A Call to Arms" schauen!

[Mayaa]

Fein! Und ist dann dran, wenn Du B5 durch hast, gell? Aber definitiv erst "A Call to Arms" schauen!

Ja! Crusade schau ich erst, wenn ich die Serie und die Filme alle, alle durchhabe! Ganz brav, wie sich das eben gehört!

[Marot]

So, Bestellung ist raus. Hab gerade mit dem Weltbildshop meines Vertrauens telefoniert, der besorgt mir das für 9,99€. Sehr gut.
Bin gerade wieder angefangen mir B5 nochmal anzusehen, bin erst bei Staffel 1/ DVD2... aber ich denke ich schieb zwischen durch Crusade ein. Vielleicht guck ich Waffenbrüder vorher nochmal...

Was ich eigentlich sagen wollte:
Vielen Dank für den Tipp!

[madhorst]

So, ich hab's jetzt bekommen. Und schon zur Hälfte geschaut. Verdammt, ich sollte lernen! Im Handel habe ich die gleiche Box noch für zwischen 24,99 bis 29,99 Euronen gesehen...

[Mr.Viola]

Ich habs mittlerweile auch schon bekommen, schon ne feine Sache. Sehe mir ja eh grad nochmal B5 an, danach werd ich gleich noch Waffenbrüder und Crusade sehen.

[Spiritguide]

Hallo zusammen,

danke für den Super-Tipp! Ich habe mir "Crusade" auch für den Schnäppchenpreis besorgt. Bin schon sehr gespannt darauf. "B5" gehört zu meinen absoluten Lieblingsserien... Hoffentlich kommt "Crusade" an die Qualität ran.

Danke!

Spiritguide

[Mayaa]

Hallo zusammen,
danke für den Super-Tipp! Ich habe mir "Crusade" auch für den Schnäppchenpreis besorgt. Bin schon sehr gespannt darauf. "B5" gehört zu meinen absoluten Lieblingsserien... Hoffentlich kommt "Crusade" an die Qualität ran.
Danke!
Spiritguide

Du kannst uns ja dann berichten wie du es gefunden hast

[Marot]

Ich will meine Erwartungen mal nicht zu hoch stecken... man hört ja auch das viele davon enttäuscht sind... aber 9,99€ ist das allemal Wert.