Immer nur Vize-Admiral

[Lusiman]

Tja aber hier geht es nicht um die Ränge die im 21. Jahrhunder bei der Armee sind oder irgentwo sonder um die Ränge im 24. Jahrhundert!

@ Admiral Ross:

Wenn er den 4 Sterne Admiral meine also den Admiral ist der natürlich ranghöher als der 3 Sterne Admiral also Vice Admiral!

[Sternengucker]

Original geschrieben von Admiral Ross



ja aber Admiral ist das nicht gerade...

(heute)

bei der Army gibt es 1 sterne 2 sterne und 3 sterne General

bei der Marine ähm commandore gibt es da nicht!

Das stimmt zwar, ist aber nur die halbe Geschichte

Bis zum Ersten Weltkrieg hiess der Rang auch in den USA Commodore. Seit damals sind teilweise die Einsterneädmiräle verwaist gewesen, teilweise rangierten sie als "Rear Admiral Lower Half" in der Rangfolge. Ist aber vom Prinzip her dasselbe.

Commodore dürfte heutzutage die Bezeichnung für einen Captain (oooo) sein, der das Kommando über eine Taskforce aus mehreren Schiffen hat, die wiederum von Captains (oooo) kommandiert werden. Primus inter Pares sozusagen

http://users.sisna.com/justinb/cop.html
United States Navy
Commodores of the United States Navy have had a somewhat more complicated history. As Congress was unwilling to authorize any admirals in its service until 1862, there was considerable importance attached to the office of commodore. Like its Royal Navy counterpart, the American commodore was not a higher rank, but a temporary assignment for captains. As Melville wrote in White Jacket, 1849,

An American commodore, like an English commodore or a French chef d'escadre, is but a senior captain, temporarily commanding a small number of ships, detached for any special purpose. He has no permanent rank, recognized by government, above his captaincy; though once employed as a commodore, usage and courtesy unite in continuing the title.

And, apparently, the practice was not reserved to captains in the earlier days. Captain Isaac Hull, chafing at not being able to progress further in rank, wrote in 1814 that, if no admirals were to be authorized, something should be done to prevent "every midshipman that has command of a gunboat on a separate station taking upon himself the name of Commodore."

Eventually it seems that the title of commodore was defined more strictly, and was reserved for captains so designated by the Navy Department, although the practice of retaining the title for life added some confusion. In 1857, Congress established the grade of Flag Officer. This somewhat generic-sounding title was intended "to promote the efficiency of the Navy," but how it really differed from the previous practice is questionable. Like the courtesy-title commodores, "flag officers" reverted to captain once their squadron command assignment was completed.

Perhaps because of the acute need for officers at the beginning of the Civil War, naval tradition was ignored and commodore became for the first time a permanent commissioned rank. Eighteen were authorized on July 16, 1862. The rank title was also divested of some of its "line command" status when, in 1863, the chiefs of the Bureaus of Medicine and Surgery, Provisions and Clothing, Steam Engineering and Construction and Repair were given the relative rank of commodore.

The rank of commodore continued in the U.S. Navy until 1899, when the Naval Personnel Act made all commodores into rear admirals. The reason, according to Laws Relating to the Navy, 1919, was "... on account of international relationships, the consideration of which caused the Navy Department to regard the complications confronting it as inimical to the honor and dignity of this nation, because of the adverse effect upon its high ranking representatives in their association with foreign officers." From this can be inferred that U.S. commodores were not treated as flag-level officers by other navies, or given the respect the Navy Department thought was their due.

As it would have been expensive to increase the pay of all the former commodores to the level of rear admirals, Congress specified that the lower half of the rear admirals’ list have pay equal to brigadier generals of the army. If there were an odd number of rear admirals, the lower “half” of the list was to be the larger. All rear admirals, upper or lower half, were equal to major generals, flew a flag instead of a broad pennant, and were entitled to a thirteen gun salute. The Supreme Court held that the rank of commodore had been removed from the navy, leaving it without a rank equivalent to brigadier general. This did not sit well with brigadier generals, who might be outranked by officers who were their juniors in terms of service. This was a point of inter-service controversy, and in 1916 the army made its brigadier generals equivalent to rear admirals (lower half). This did not change the major general level of rear admirals (LH), but made the brigadier generals equal to them (but still below major generals) through a legality!

During the massive naval expansion of the Second World War, the Navy Department worried that the appointment of more flag officers would create a glut of admirals after the war. At the same time, it was realized that some captains were holding commands of higher responsibility, and needed to be recognized. Admiral King proposed bringing back the old rank of commodore for these officers. President Roosevelt agreed, though he stipulated that this rank be restricted to line officers. The Navy's one-star officer reappeared in April 1943. In practice, staff corps officers could also become commodores. By VJ Day, there were over one hundred commodores in service. Very few of the wartime commodores were promoted to rear admiral. Promotions to commodore ended in 1947, and all had left the navy by 1950.

But the one-star rank appeared again in 1982, with the odd title of "Commodore Admiral." The rank became simply "Commodore" the next year, and went back to rear admiral (lower half) in 1985! At that time it was mandated that rear admirals (LH) would wear only one star, as the two stars authorized previously caused some resentment amongst Army and Air Force brigadier generals.

[Admiral Ross]

Original geschrieben von Lusiman
Tja aber hier geht es nicht um die Ränge die im 21. Jahrhunder bei der Armee sind oder irgentwo sonder um die Ränge im 24. Jahrhundert!

*auf Kalender schau*

wir haben 2002

somit sind die Range auf der heutigen Marine aufgebaut..
oder stammen die Drehbrücher oder kulissen und.... aus dem 24 jh? ich denke nicht...

[Lusiman]

Tja schon auf die Marina aufgebaut! Aber halt Star Trek mäßig modifiziert!

[c0cKr04H]

Was sind eigentlich die 2Pin Admirale für admirale?

3Pins sind Vice-Admiral
4Pins sind Admiral
Wieso hat der Leiter der Sternenflottenakademie nur 3 Pins?
Wieso hat der Flottenadmiral 4 Pins und kein extra Zeichen?
Wieviel Admiräle gibts eigentlich? Wird das Irgendwo erwähnt?

[Wodan]

Mit zwei Pins müsste eine Art Konteradmiral seien, vielleicht der Führer ein feststehenden Gefechtstruppe oder einer Flotille.

Wieso der Chef der Aka "nur" drei Sterne hat?? Wieso sollte er deine Meinung nach mehr haben??

[Lusiman]

Original geschrieben von c0cKr04H
Was sind eigentlich die 2Pin Admirale für admirale?

3Pins sind Vice-Admiral
4Pins sind Admiral
Wieso hat der Leiter der Sternenflottenakademie nur 3 Pins?
Wieso hat der Flottenadmiral 4 Pins und kein extra Zeichen?
Wieviel Admiräle gibts eigentlich? Wird das Irgendwo erwähnt?

Die Admirale mit 2 Pins sind die Rear-Admirals
Der Flottenadmiral hat 5 Pins und die sind gold eingerahmt (was bei den Offizieren nicht der Fall ist)!

Hier hast du eine Übersicht aller Ränge (da siehst du auch die Admirale): http://www.newstrekker.com/archiv/united_uniforms_tng_03.htm